FIRST ON 3 SPECIAL REPORT: Sovereign citizens a challenge to law


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Submitted: Tue, 02/19/2013 - 4:44am
Updated: Tue, 02/19/2013 - 4:28pm
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BRUNSWICK COUNTY, NC (WWAY) — Imagine a world where laws don’t apply to you, and you’re not responsible for any taxes. So-called sovereign citizens live like that.

It’s a catch-all phrase referring to people who are anti-government. Their actions have ranged from false court filings to disregarding laws to murder.

Brunswick County Sheriff’s deputies ran into one during a high-speed chase recently.

“The FBI categorizes sovereign citizens as domestic terrorists,” Brunswick County Sheriff’s Office Capt. Mose Highsmith said.

Highsmith says at first glance, there’s nothing illegal about being a sovereign citizen.

“Where things start to become illegal is that because of following that dogma, if you will, some of these people believe they don’t have to have a driver’s license, they don’t have to pay for insurance, they don’t have to have a license plate, they don’t have to comply with law direction from law enforcement officers.”

Case in point, a high-speed chase in Supply two months ago, where a woman refused to stop for deputies unless the count was prepared to pay her. Dep. Joe Cherry arrested Jeniffer-Melisa Herring that night.

“You do have to use the utmost caution, because you don’t know what the person is willing to do, because they don’t recognize you as an authority figure,” Dep. Cherry said. “They do tend to recognize sheriffs over police officers for some odd reason. Sovereign citizen is a reemerging trend.”

In the most extreme cases, sovereign citizens can be destructive and even deadly.

Timothy McVeigh, the man behind the 1995 Oklahoma City bombing, was a sovereign citizen. His actions killed 168 people, including 19 children, and injured more than 680.

In 2010, a traffic stop in Arkansas turned into a deadly shootout between police and two sovereign citizens. Father-son duo Jerry and Joseph Kane killed two officers before officers killed them.

“If these folks hold really passionate views that the government has no authority over them they may result to violence,” Highsmith said.

New Hanover County Sheriff’s spokesman Sgt. Jerry Brewer says his agency’s deputies have not had as many run-ins with sovereign citizens as those in Brunswick County, but they are prepared.

“We do training that involves learning more about sovereign citizens and their beliefs,” Brewer said. “We’ve sent some, we’ve sent guys to training, and it’s just something we have to be aware of.”

But the threat goes beyond violence and disregard for the rule of law.

Experts say sovereign citizens use scare tactics through the very legal system they disclaim to intimidate. These actions are considered “paper terrorism.” Among their tactics is filing bogus claims and false liens against officers and judges, which can destroy credit or just tie the them up in court.

Herring, who is charged with drunk driving and other offenses in that chase in Brunswick County, filed her own paperwork in Brunswick County Court, claiming she is not a member of any corporate or political body. Experts say her paperwork fits the mold of other sovereign citizens, including not capitalizing United States of America.”

Whether she recognizes its jurisdiction or not, Herring is due in court next month.

Late last year, a new state law made it a felony to knowingly file a false lien or encumbrance against a public officer or employee based on that person’s performance of official duties. The law also lets the register of deeds reject such a filing.

In addition to individuals, the University of North Carolina School of Government says there are several sovereign citizen groups active in our state, with names like Moorish Nation, Washitaw Nation, North Carolina American Republic and Carolina Liberty.

70 Comments

  • concerned says:

    Wow so sovereign citizens think they don’t have to pay taxes or anything yet benefit from the roads payed for bytaxes communications which their main interface is paid for by taxes…..hmmmmm seems to me that sovereign citizen means new age mooch

  • Guest28462 says:

    That escalated quickly

  • BERRY says:

    Notice how the media compares a lady whom would not pull over to the Oklahoma city bomber. This is what our country has lowered itself to,tactics which include controlling the media to convince you that any individual that is strong on their own beliefs and have individuality is wrong,Oh, I mean terrorist. While misdirecting you from what is really going on, Obama is swindelling trillions of citezens hard earned taxes until our lenders are all tapped out and then going to sell us off to China. Youtube has its priveledges. Did you know U.S. has built with your taxes plenty of “Fema prisons” to imprison you and your children(seperate facilities for the children). These people do not want to comply to these laws not because they are rebels/criminals but because they do not agree with how they operate and/or the corruption behind their evil agenda. The truth is we(you and your family) are heading for a holocaust and everyone is blinded from the truth by the media not to mention the fluoride and aspartame(food additives/poisons)used to numb our brains. By the way I myself do not believe in a law free nation. We need laws and punishments but the enforcement agencies have lost tract of their purpose, JUSTICE, and become another greedy business focused on the goal of stripping citezens of all the hard earned cash and especially their valuable time,which is alot more precious and scarce than we acknowledge. The more technological solving crimes become the more easier it is for the corrupted system to frame someone. Your tax money is being used against you, why should you pay taxes.Only you can change the world around you. I am sure Deputy Cherry was just doing his job, and i’ve never known him or even heard any rumors of him being corrupt so don’t pick on the officer. If you want to pick on the cops there are plenty of evil and I mean evil cops to pick on. MATTHEW 22:17-21

  • OtherGuest says:

    Is this what journalism has come to in our society?

  • Justin says:

    Hey Ron just wantef to know if you are a sovereign citizen? If so may you please e-mail me? I wouldrreally like to ask you a few things thank you sir. slick_j_ice@yahoo.com

  • Spike Fremont says:

    Right on Ron for taking to task the “self righteous pompous leftist windbags.” I greatly appreciate you letting us in on the inside dope from those of you who “know exactly what is going on…” Your take is so much more valuable than the news, or Jon Stewart. I think your ability to quote from a state constitution is admirable, even though it has no bearing and is totally irrelevant. Your grasp of the picayune is startling and I applaud you for it.

    I especially like how you support your position. For instance, you write, “All political power is vested in and derived from the people; all government of right originates from the people, is founded upon their will only, and is instituted solely for the good of the whole.”

    Right on mother! I like how you totally discount how the electoral process supports laws “instituted solely for the good of the whole.” Your support for the assertion that “courts are now commercial courts based on admiralty and UCC, uniform conmmercial (sic) code” is textbook. I love how you cite examples and law to support your position.

    I think the greatest piece of your writing demonstrates the intelligence of the movement and is manifest in the sentence “learn something instead of blindly listening to the sheep herders, or just keep drinking the kool (sic) aid.”

    The irony is palpable. Rock on with your stoopid self.

    Spike

  • Berry says:

    Please read all the comments below. The community needs to research how the politicians are spending our money, specifically to use our taxes to imprison/enslave us. More than 50% of our taxes go to military more than half of our taxes. The military will be used against us in the near future. Obama said it himself, that the government will start detaining citizens indefinetly without having first committed a crime. Meaning you will be arrested and detained without breaking the law, and his exuse is so you don’t commit a crime in the future. His speech is made very clear on youtube. The PATRIOT ACT gives him the power to do whatever he wants. Seriously people its time to start paying attention to whats going on around you and quit being so caught up in all the distractions that the devil has put in your way to blind you. Taxes are to keep the public weak and to give the government power over them.”By the people for the people” -Abraham Lincoln- not for the corporations.

  • Angewirdert says:

    I can certainly understand why you and your family are so “terror-fried”. It must be “terror-able” for such innocent people to always have to worry that the police are out to get them, and apparently, for no reason at all!

    This must be a “terror-able” country for your family to live in.

    Do not despair! The rest of us are ready to help you get away from all of this. Just post your name and address and we’ll all anonymously (so that you won’t have to take the time to write out thank-you notes) chip in and buy you one-way tickets to safer country. One with a nice safe dictator and a nice safe para-military force. Guys you’d probably be more comfortable hanging out with.

    Have a nice trip!

  • Gate Keeper says:

    Our Constitution does not afford you those rights….If you aren’t a citizen of the United States of America and a sovereign citizen, then you’re an illegal alien when on our soil!

  • RSimmons says:

    I have been in every jerk-water town and county for 150 miles around and I never had a problem with harassment from authorities even during my long-haired-freaky-looking years. No problems with any of my family being harassed or locked up for a medical issue. Never had a cop require me to do anything that violated my civil rights. I have never been tazed,never arrested and never got a ticket I didn’t deserve.

    So why is it you have all these problems and I don’t?

  • 211 says:

    THESE CITIZENS WAY OF THINKING IS WHY THESE LAWS WERE WRITTEN IN THE FIRST PLACE. BAN THEM FROM THE PLACES THAT EVERY ONE ELSE PAYS FOR AND LET THEM BUILD, OR WHATEVER, ON THEIR OWN.

  • GuestYaAintTooFarFromTruth says:

    Hey, Truthshallemerge, you are absolutely right. All that you complain of is a direct result of voting Republican.

  • Kblue2221984 says:

    One error, If you speak with a Sovereign Citizen they will tell you that they honor “Police Officers” Over Sheriffs Deputies. Not real sure why. Its my belief they come from up North were their aren’t any sworn deputies with powers of arrest. Just a tid bit of information for ya. XOXOXO Say’s who!? Say’s Kblue!!!

  • Grateful says:

    Thanks for that comment. All I can hear is Ron Burgundy’s voice in my head following up that comment with “Stay classy Wilmington.”

  • BobbyJeff Crowdog says:

    You know I used to think like many others here – that all this stuff about aspartemine, GMO’s, the Codex an Fema camps { Still think the Fema camps are BS } and massive spending on Military Industrial / Technical complex, erosion of Liberty, educational brain warping… was all tinfoil hat paranoia – and though some of it is – there is definitely a Control /Power shift in the works that is truly frightening.
    I’ve gathered as much honest research as I could digeston several of these controversial items { most recently vaccines/ pharmacuiticals, GMO’s, 211 and NARAD, various other Political stuff} and been literally blown out of the water – we are literally drowning in a sea of prevarications.
    All I can say is do your own research and pay close attention to who the sources are and their affiliations – you too will be blown away even if the alleged Black Helicopters and FEMA concentration camps are a hoax- cause there’s plenty of other conspiracy nut stuff that really is in the works.

  • Berry says:

    I will remind you citizens that more than half of our taxes go straight to military. A military that in the near future will be used against you. All the things that are needed in our community, can be afforded by the community. We no help from politicians to pave a road. We have enough people to afford the responsibilities without first having to pay billions to companies for corporate bail-outs and sometimes even trillions. Its time the people wake up and realize how your money is being used against you. I challenge the public to get involved and research how your money is being spent before its too late.
    “By the people for the people” -Abraham lincoln-

  • Guess Again says:

    Wrong Facts Again. No. The majority of the money goes into entitlements. That means welfare and now Obama care. Special projects for special constituents. And all those local grants that turn into local tax dollars to support them after they are established. Research? Do your own! “it is better to appear a fool than to open one’s mouth and remove all doubt.” Mark Twain.

  • Grateful says:

    Thank you for pointing out something I have been unable to get many people online to understand. It is easier to watch somebody’s selectively edited video or to read someone’s factually deficient blog (posing as a news story) than it is to take the 5 minutes to look up the truth. My brain immediately tells me when I read something so incredibly far left or right there is more to the story. In the time it takes me to find the truth my friends have reposted the stories/videos and made comments they later regret when I post the links that debunk the original posts.

    In this case the original poster is hoping that enough people repeat the false information before someone comes along to ruin his message with the truth. If the myth is repeated enough times it becomes accepted as fact. So-called news sources on the far left and right have been employing this tactic for years resulting in the extreme polarization of Americans.

    There is the very real possibility that the original poster is uanware that his post is factually incorrect. That is just laziness on his part. Also sad is the fact that the original poster may not even see the responses to his false posting. I know people who refuse to even check the responses to their posts because the truth conflicts with how they feel in their gut. Stephen Colbert calls this truthiness.

  • guest8675309 says:

    Will surrender his drivers license immediately, sell their car cause the roads are taxpayers privilege, will start living off the land.(tax at the grocery register), start breaking every law cause they do not believe in them…etc….etc…such fake people claiming they are “sovereign” citizens, too funny….

  • Guest 331/2 says:

    Most of the people mention in this article hasn’t a clue as to what it means to be a sovereign citizen just claiming sovereign citizen will not get it. You must know the laws and terms in the state you reside. Also you best know how to handle yourself in the courts or otherwise you are going to lose big time. Most lawyers haven’t a clue either. One website that can guide you in a good direction in living as a sovereign citizen, Logs Radio Network dot Com.

  • John Henry says:

    No, that’s it. That’s what we all got out of your post…

  • Guest Kblue fan says:

    KBlue ! check out the highly paid public servant mooches in Kure Beach that go over and call acting like they are visiting handicapped and senior citizens to check on their safety and then write all kinds of stuff up while they are at their house then get their crooked lawyer to try to take their homes and sell it and take their equity! Sovereign is sounding more interesting. Who can possibly compete with a million dollars in tax paychecks and resources given to these vile moochers. They have fancy cars, report pads, computers, audio & video recorders, guns, handcuffs and are a 24 hour militia.

  • Cliff Muncy says:

    The North-Carolina American Republic is not associated with the sovereign citizen movement as indicated by the University of North Carolina School of Government reference in this article. If you visit the site (ncrepublic.org), you’ll see that this organization is for sovereignty of the state itself (the people, collectively), not the individual citizens. Also, if you’ll do some research, you’ll notice that AmericasRemedy.com and historian John Ainsworth (also linked from the NCAR site) actually refers to the sovereign citizen movement as patriot mythology. He debunks it in some of his recent webcasts.

    Carolina Liberty is also not a sovereign citizen movement. If you click over to their Resources page, you’ll discover that they are/were simply a study group who gathered to study our founding documents, and that a large part of their curriculum was actually the re-establishing of the state itself (ie. the North Carolina American Republic!)

    Again, the North-Carolina American Republic and its citizens are in no way part of the Sovereign Citizen movement. I would strongly encourage WWAY News and/or the University referenced to first contact this organization BEFORE lumping them together with other movements as has been done here. Contact information is public and available to all interested parties.

  • Guest 211 says:

    EXACTLY WHAT DID YOU GET OUT OF MY POST? AND HOW CAN YOU SPEAK FOR ANY ONE BESIDES YOUR SELF? IF YOU DON’T LIKE CAP LOCKS, WHY DID YOU READ IT? IT MADE YOU TAKE NOTICE, DIDN’T IT?

  • Who the **** says:

    Really You are a rare person that can say they have never experienced abuse by authorities, or else you are a police officer!

  • Liberty Man says:

    It’s really sad that people do not study the founding documents so that they can understand what their position as a citizen in this once great nation was supposed to be. Years and years of government education has accomplished what it was meant to do. Re-write history. I would encourage the true seeker of the truth, to stop and take the time to study in detail the first 100 years of this county. From it’s founding to the civil war and the results of reconstruction, then step back and look at everything that is taking place today and compare notes.

    PS – This reporter seems to have plagiarized the SPLC.

  • Guest 10101 says:

    What a great phrase! I totally agree with you. Wish more people had the common sense to agree as well.

    I find it disturbing that the new normal seems to be either an extreme left or right viewpoint; never the middle and never a sensible compromise. It’s laziness, pure and simple. Why think when someone else can do it for you, and besides, an intelligent compromise requires more effort. A good analogy for me is: It’s easier to place your cursor on the extreme left or right side of your computer screen than to place it exactly in the middle. That would require measuring the distance from either side. It would only take a minute or two to do that; but that would be too much work. That’s how it seems to be in politics these days. If we continue our lazy ways, our county will go right down the dumper. That too is easy enough to research, but most people won’t bother to.

    An interesting factoid: Did you know that Stephen Colbert’s sister, who’s currently running for political office, pronounces her last name “cole-bert”, not “cole-bear”? I think I’ll spend about 30 seconds researching that to find out why. :-)

  • Guesttenheimer says:

    …you ARE the EPITOMY of strange! Now, go put your foil hat back on and wait quietly for them…

  • Guest2020 says:

    Laws do stop people from doing things. There are some who will not do something simply because it is against the law. The laws may not stop everyone from doing those things you mentioned, but it will stop some. Do you really believe that everyone with car insurance does it because they want to? They simply do it because the law requires it. Drug laws may not directly deter people from doing drugs, but they do stop them by other means. Some people who get in trouble with the law over drugs actually get help that they would probably not seek otherwise. If you think the traffic laws don’t affect the behavior of people, I defy you to slow down the next time you are speeding and pass a patrol car. I do believe that under the second amendment that gun laws should not be so restrictive. I believe that anyone set on murder is going to commit it by any means available, so most of the gun laws really only serve to protect the criminals.

  • Guest 1492 says:

    before putting on your aluminum foil skull cap. I you don’t, stray crazy thoughts will creep in around the edges.

    By the way genius: Abraham Lincoln’s last name always starts with a capital “L”, not a small one. If you can’t even get that right, we’re certainly not going to count on you to get it right on larger issues.

  • Does his homework. says:

    It really is amazing just how incredibly stupid some people are.
    First “sovereign citizen” is an oxymoron, the reporter should have done some homework instead of just belching out an incoherent rant.

    Second, yes there are groups that think they are outside of the law however there are those of us who do their homework and know exactly what is going on…

    Third, let me elaborate on the second statement, I am guessing that the majority of people that replied to this rant are not even aware of the following and I quote from the NC Constitution, Article 1,
    Sec. 2. Sovereignty of the people.

    All political power is vested in and derived from the people; all government of right originates from the people, is founded upon their will only, and is instituted solely for the good of the whole.

    We are all Sovereign Individuals and some of us are well informed as to what is taking place, Common Law is gone! however still our right, courts are now commercial courts based on admiralty and UCC, uniform conmmercial code.

    The 13th amendment is an unlawful amendment, it replaced the original and lawfully ratified 13th amendment, the 14th enslaves all of us to be so called US Citizens instead of our Sovereign Republic/State and lastly the 16th amendment is also unlawful as it was not lwafully ratified allowing the irs to be nothing more than a collection agency that is not a true government agency.

    This is all common knowledge, so before you go spouting off about being an illegal or a tax dodger do your homework, get your head out of the sand and stand up for what is right, the uninformed are doomed to be subjects while the informed are assured to be free and to fight for what is our PROTECTED rights, not granted rights as the government and left wing media would have you believe…

    You can’t fix Stupid…..Thanks Ron.

    Lastly;

    All you self righteous pompous leftist windbags PLEASE, Read the Declaration of Independence, read, the Constitution and the Federalist Papers which preceded the Constitution and is what it is based on and read the Constitution of this great Republic/State of North Carolina and actually learn something instead of blindly listening to the sheep herders, or just keep drinking the kool aid.

  • Guest 10101 says:

    but “the truth shall set you free.

    Jesse Ventura’s FEMA camps images:
    – a satellite image of a prison in North Korea
    – an actual prison in Ohio
    – an illegal immigrant detention center
    – an image of a building of a company that makes actually makes coffin liners in Georgia

    Your YouTube link:
    – is a cut-and-paste of a speech Obama was making about Guantanamo Bay detainees and most definitely not about American citizens.

    (Earlier post) “Obama is swindelling trillions of citezens hard earned taxes until our lenders are all tapped out”:
    – (spelling mistakes aside, for the moment) What’s he doing with the money? Putting it under his pillow? Certainly not putting it in banks if the “lenders are all tapped out”. Maybe he has a special cave where he keeps his gold pile! (Crap … think I just started another conspiracy theory)

    – Graduated at the top of your class and yet you use phrases like “more stranger than fiction”? Your earlier post was filled with so many misspelled words and grammatical mistakes; it looked like the work of a fourth grader. That must be some school if you graduated top of your class.
    – “YouTube has its privileges” (from previous post). Please tell me you’re not using YouTube as your primary source for news because it’s sure starting to look like that’s the case.

    It took me all of five minutes to research and debunk the nonsense you’re pushing out as “truth”. Why is it that I can do that and you can’t? Two reasons: (1) You don’t really try hard enough, (2) You just feel better embracing conspiracy nonsense.(Jesse Ventura does it for the money. He sells his show to suckers like you. What’s your excuse?)

    That has to be a sad way to live your life. My condolences.

  • Guest 10101 says:

    – 2013 Estimated Total Federal, State and Local Spending Percentages —
    — (Source: US Budget and US Census Bureau data) —

    Defense: 24%
    Health care: 24%
    Pensions: 23%
    Welfare : 11%
    Interest: 7%
    Education: 4%
    Transportation: 3%
    Other spending: 3%
    Protection: 2%
    General Gov’t: 1%

    Dude, you wouldn’t recognize reality if it bit you on your behind while you were sitting on the crapper.

    Give it up. You’re embarassing yourself.

  • Guestwho says:

    You should do some spelling and grammar homework.

  • Berry says:

    As far as intelligence I graduated at the top of my class, and have done the research to uncover the truth about our government and their evil agenda. As far as the FEMA prisons, Governor Ventura has researched that topic for us and the government stopped him from reairing his episode on FEMA prisons. Hows that for a sucky job. You were right about one thing though, I am desperate and you should be to, for the president himself has made a speech admitting to the goal of detaining people and indefinitely if wanted without them first commiting a crime with only the belief that they will some day commit a crime. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbslm1h8xjI The truth is usually more stranger than fiction. And sometimes the truth is so strange that the public decides to ignore and disbelieve it.
    GENESIS chapter 7

  • Gate Keeper says:

    It’s true that most of people aren’t even aware of the NC Constitution’s Article 1, Sec. 2. regarding sovereignty of the people. However it’s sad that people base their life on just one section to justify whatever ideological excuse they’ve cooked up not to be a part of society. A society which pays taxes to provide for the benefit of all, to provide relief in times of need and care for it’s old, sick and poor and it’s this premise that has made us a nation envied by most of the world. For most, if not all, sovereign citizens are those who seek yet another way to claim persecution and avoid contributing to the greater good intended to create a society of free men as was the intent and still is the intent of our North Carolina State Constitution.

    How about reading down further to Sections 3-5-7-8-12 and 36….

  • The truth shall emerge says:

    This is a fine example of unbalanced reporting. Where is the interview with a sovereign citizen to give a counter view? Much like how the state operates it gives one slanted view point from someone who earns their paycheck by trying to make others believe that the state somehow has rights above the person who is asserting their rights. Domestic terrorist? Really? So a person using the system against itself is equal to someone who would try and create terror through violence? What about a system that would use terror against those who are vulnerable and ignorant of the system and how it works? I can tell you terror comes from being dragged into the system to try and fight for your rights. Terror comes from having to deal with a group who thinks they have some kind of inherent right to deprive you because they wear a badge and you refuse to cooperate. Terror is driving down the road and seeing the blue lights behind you. Terror is calling for help and wondering if you will become the target. Terror is having to show your papers to continue traveling down the road despite the fact you were minding your own business. Terror is being coerced into admitting a crime because of threat to your family. Terror is having to drag to Bolivia one or twice a month just to wait 2 hours for them to talk about you like you are not even there for 2 minutes. Terror is being tortured into compliance by taser. Terror is wondering if your family member who has a medical issue will be locked up because they are sick and need help. Terror is the thought of living under a system so corrupt that they would protect their own even if it is obvious they were in the wrong. The law is not in place to protect anyone except the interest of those prosecuting others. DUI laws do not stop people from drinking and driving. Drug laws don’t stop people from using and selling drugs. Traffic laws don’t stop people from driving without insurance. Gun laws don’t stop people from using guns for crime. But what they do effectively do is fatten the county and states pockets with more money so that can hire more people to control us at every turn. The same people who scoff when you assert your rights are the same ones they try and parade as people who are there to “protect and serve”. There is only one interest they are “protecting and serving” and it isn’t yours. If you must ask permission, then it is not a right.

  • The truth shall emerge says:

    Angewirdert
    I never said my family was scared. In fact it is quite the opposite. The problems I stated came from simply paying attention to the news and talking to people on the street. I am indeed terrified if I believe I may have to deal with the system on any level. The impression you give me is that you love dealing with bureaucracy so much you may even work for them. But worry not. The way things are going you will have a first hand knowledge at some point and will not have to take my word for it.
    AintTooFarFromTruth
    Republicans or Democrats they are all one in the same. Two wings of the same bird.
    RSimmons
    So you have never encountered a road block? Have you seen the numerous cases where the police abuse people when they allege a crime has been committed? Abuse not just restraing them. Your reasoning that it hasn’t happened to you only stands to show that you have been lucky. I myself have 99 problems but the police or legal issues ain’t one.
    Gate Keeper
    You are absolutely right. The constitution doesn’t afford me any rights nor does the Bill of Rights. Both LIMIT the government in the manner and scope they may deal with me. Under stand that one doesn’t need to be a federal citizen to be a citizen of a state. That right is granted at birth. If you were born in the states then you were granted citizenship by the state you were born in at birth. If you are born elsewhere and become naturalized then you become a US citizen.
    If it were true that my family was having problems of this nature saying or implying it is solely their fault is ignorant. Do you also look at other countries such as China and blame the people that live there for the problems caused by an oppressive government? I mean after all I am sure the government operates within their own laws even if they are oppressive. This woman is challenging the government by using their system. Why would anyone disagree with that? You would think one should be afforded all opportunities to clear her name. After all, if she is so obviously guilty as most are assuming it should be an open and shut issue. At the end of the day the take away is how the article compared her to timothy Mcveigh. How people who challenge the system are terrorist. How it is strange she has chosen to represent herself. If everyone who is charged with a crime spent half the time this woman will then the system wouldn’t work. Why you ask? Because it would collapse under its own weight.

    “The tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny, and it is useless for the innocent to try by reasoning to get justice, when the oppressor intends to be unjust.” Aesop

  • Guest 10101 says:

    Unfortunately, finding out what’s actually true requires real knowledge and real facts; it’s not just what someone else tells you.

    To be able to do that requires an education. In order to acquire that education, you have to actually study, not just attend a school.

    Crazy stupid stuff like ….. “”Fema prisons” to imprison you and your children” ….. or ….. “fluoride and aspartame(food additives/poisons)used to numb our brains” ….. or ….. “swindelling trillions of citezens hard earned taxes until our lenders are all tapped out” ….. is not only untrue, it’s also illogical.

    That’s the kind of stuff people come up with when they don’t educate themselves. That’s the kind of stuff that one uneducated person passes on to another until they both believe it’s true. People who can’t spell and have no idea how to put together a simple sentence or haven’t even a clue as to grammar are people who didn’t take the time to at least try to educate themselves. These are people who now read small crazy pamphlets instead of books. These are the kind of people who usually wind up with crappy jobs and a crappy life. These are people who need to blame someone or something else for their failure to achieve more rather than blame themselves. These are the kind of people who make up, or pass along, crazy nonsense because it’s just easier then dealing with the truth because sometimes the truth sucks and you really just don’t want to hear it. Desperate people make up desperate stories. Sometimes they begin to feel so desperate, that after a while, they believe their own nonsense.

    People like you.

  • Unaffiliated Voter says:

    In the event of a governmental coup in America, would your law enforcement PROTECT the PEOPLE, or OBEY the ‘government’ ?

    http://www.Oathkeepers.org

    Challenge every LEO and exmilitary person to take the pledge! Let’s see who does and who refuses …

  • Guest666 says:

    Maybe these sovereign citizens are on to something. Sounds like a plan, to me. I don’t mind laws that protect, but those which do nothing but harass and take away rights when no one is in danger are questionable.

  • AnAmericanproud says:

    Sovereign citizens are nothing more than home grown terrorists. They don’t believe in the system yet they choose to live in it. They are often reckless and armed, posing a direct danger to any figure of authority they cross. They feel they are above the government and do not have to pay taxes, register vehicles, or obey ANY US Constitutional law. Is the American system perfect? No not by a long shot. But I would rather live with it than live next to one of these people.

  • B Abshire says:

    Our own govt does not even follow the law……

  • Government Mule says:

    just ask them. They will tell you….

  • Guest1012 says:

    It IS about illegal aliens. If a US citizen denounces the US and declares themself “sovereign” then they are on US soil illegally. They do not want to abide by our laws, pay our taxes and contribute to our communities= get out and stay out, you don’t belong here.

  • Gate Keeper says:

    Guest666 I did read… If you aren’t a citizen of the United States of America or renounce your citizenship, or claim your a sovereign citizen, then you’re an illegal alien when on our soil…. PERIOD!

  • Guest61246 says:

    Seems like the government labels anyone as “terrorists” who does not fully comply with their laws and guidelines regardless of how opressive. Big Brother is simply afraid that the trend will progress on a larger scale.

  • Guest7969 says:

    more the government tries to grab control from the people…the more of this you are going to see.

  • GuestMan. says:

    you mean like with the Patriot Act?

  • Guest123 says:

    If they feel that way, then why don’t they just settle somewhere else where they can live their lives with abandon and not have any laws or pay taxes. I am tired of paying taxes for others that don’t feel the need. I doubt anyone would stop them if they left the United States. It’s obvious they don’t want to be citizens here – they just want to pick and choose which laws they want to obey, but yet they expect to have all rights and privileges of being a citizen. Give me a break.

  • GuestUSMC says:

    I expect this is the way the British felt about the American settlers just before the Revolutionary War.

  • Government Mule says:

    think they are right wingers or are you just a Government, social media plant?

  • RSimmons says:

    Yet another bunch of crazy right wingers that think they are entitled to ignore laws and use public roads and other resources for free.

  • Guest28451 says:

    Deputy Joe Cherry is an idiot. Where did he get the idea that these people tend to listen to Deputies over Police? Blue lights are blue lights. Sounds like he has a misconstrued sense of self and holds himself, and all other Sheriff’s Deputies, in a seemingly omnipotent light. I have personally spoken with Cherry before and am not impressed with his false intellect. “It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open ones mouth and remove all doubt” ­­- Mark Twain

  • guesty says:

    Their way of thinking is the Sheriff is elected by the people therefor he/she is a representative of the people. Deputies are then hired under the sheriff and are his/her representatives. Police chiefs are hired by city government therefor they represent government.

    I know both police departments and sheriff’s departments are part of government but the sovereign citizens see it differently.

  • nonsense says:

    Actually Dep. Cherry is right in some cases the sovereign citizens tend to recognize the sheriff as being the highest form of law in the county. They do tend to listen to the sheriff more so than the police. It has nothing to do with blue lights. They feel that the sheriff is of higher authourity than policeman. It is there odd way of thinking, on that note before you go piping off at the mouth guest28451 you might want to know what you are talking about before you remove all doubt. This sir is intended for you “It’s better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open ones mouth and remove all doubt” – Mark Twain

  • GuestTeeDuffer says:

    Deputy Cherry is likely right in his assessment of THIS “local chapter” of the Sovereign Citizen movement. There are countless variants of the movement in a spectrum as harmless as refusing to register vehicles and pay traffic tickets to the angry, aggressive and armed militia types dedicated to the violent overthrow of the government.

    This local contingent of Sovereigns may very well recognize some authority and jurisdiction of the local sheriff and deputies.

    Some Sovereigns are quite adept at gaming the system, particularly for their own financial gain. Here’s a current case that is about ready to go to trial: http://www.justice.gov/usao/mow/news2012/koss.ind.html

    This recent news report show’s the defendant’s vexatious behavior toward the judge and court: http://www.kansascity.com/2013/02/14/4067644/day-in-court-verges-on-theater.html

  • Guest CommonTater says:

    These folks want to use everything the “system” provides yet they don’t recognize it? Move your tails outta here and form your own country for idiots….

  • anne says:

    Gate Keeper – my thoughts exactly. I’ll even add something here. How many of these people are on some type of assistance (food stamps, etc)?. Then to them I say – get off the assistance. You don’t deserve it and didn’t earn it since you don’t recognize our laws, rules or regulations. By the way, you might want to get rid of all the money you have – after all, it is made by the government you fail to recognize.

    Move on elsewhere – goodbye and don’t come back.

  • Guest666 says:

    Gate keeper…read the story. It is not about illegal aliens.

  • Gate Keeper says:

    If you don’t recognize our laws or acknowledge my country, stay off our property, you are an illegal alien and aren’t welcome. Don’t drive on our roads, taxpayers own them and you are trespassing. Don’t send your kids to our schools, we paid for ours to be there, you did not. Don’t use our airspace unless you ask first, it’s our territory and all foreign aircraft must seek permission. Don’t use our waterways, until your 3 miles offshore and out of our territory, we don’t allow foreign countries to use them without permits, why should we let you. I other words… stay on your sovereign property and we’ll stay on ours. Good Luck!

  • GuestMan. says:

    sort of socialist to me. They want the majority of us to pay for all of the facilities that they want to use. Talk about entitlements! They should move to Idaho with all the other Randy Weaver types and just have a ball with all the other crazies.

  • Government Mule says:

    Randy Weaver. Ruby Ridge, where our Government shot Randy Weavers unarmed Wife and child dead. Oh and of course the family dog. USA#1. “the Weaver family moved to a remote mountaintop to escape what they viewed as a sinful world. Randy Weaver lived with his wife and four children in a cabin he himself built on Ruby Ridge. The cabin had no electricity or running water. According to friends, the Weavers simply wanted to be left alone as they awaited Armageddon.” Then, 400 FBI, police and US military converged on Ruby Ridge under Janet Reno (how soon we forget) and this fueled anti-government sentiments, which eventually played a role in the Waco, Oklahoma City, and the Freemen conflict as well as Timothy McVeigh’s bombing of the government building in Oklahoma City. Thanks for reminding me.

  • guest8675309 says:

    If Randy Weaver would have shown up to court n the first place for the ILLEGAL weapons charge, then his wife and child would be alive today. My My how we forget the details.

  • GuestWTF says:

    guest8675309 “If Randy Weaver would have shown up to court n the first place for the ILLEGAL weapons charge, then his wife and child would be alive today.”

    Really? so if I don’t go to court on “charges” of something that means the government has the right to KILL my family?

    What country do you live in? Because I live in the United States of America which happens to be a Constitutional Republic. Meaning that I and any other citizen of this country have a Constitutional right to due process.

    The sixth Amendment gives EVERYONE the right to a fair trial. Oh yes…I forgot…that pesky Constitution just keeps getting in the way doesn’t it? After all it is just an out dated document that doesn’t apply to today….

  • infiniti_hb says:

    I can see the ignorance of our population is overflowing here…the Patriot Act and the NDAA are great examples of how the government is ushering in legislation to gain an upper-hand on American citizens. It seems that when the USA got tired of policing the world around us, they started to police the US.
    This article states that officers have been sent to “training”..but they probably sent them to learn the law. A sovereign citizen knows the law and can not be manipulated by fear tactics or ignorance. The article also states that a law was passed so that no one could file false complaints or liens on officials. Where is the law that protects citizens from false charges?? or how about trumped up charges??
    Pay attention to the rise of our populous and the incrementation of our police state b/c its coming. Now police don’t even want to be filmed…if they are doing their jobs in a law abiding manner why not let them be filmed? What about the attack on our Constitutional Bill of Rights, specifically the 1st, 2nd & 4th amendment?
    At this rate, we will have NO RIGHTS.

    The attack on sovereign citizens is hitting close to home with this article and more and more it seems that an educated public can shake the system. They are scared, they are fearful, they are reacting to those of us who are awake.
    Like George Carlin said…”Its called the American Dream because you have to be asleep to believe it…”

  • Guestdfdsf says:

    weed should be legal

  • Das Weibstück says:

    The United States Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) classifies “sovereign citizens” among domestic terror threats as anti-government extremists. In 2010 the Southern Poverty Law Center (SPLC) estimated that approximately 100,000 Americans were “hard-core sovereign believers” with another 200,000 “just starting out by testing sovereign techniques for resisting everything from speeding tickets to drug charges.”.

    What idiots !!

  • Guest420 says:

    Legalize weed and Ill chill out. its a stupid law.

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